..getting off the topic of security a bit.. What's wrong with selling binaries? Chris spent a lot of time writing ISS. He owns it. Why should he give away the source for free? I don't care if it is a security program or not, it's still a program and he has a right to do whatever he wants to with it, and if that includes selling binaries then so be it. I'd like to finish this debate on whether Chris should or should not sell his product and get back to security-related topics. karyn